tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post4294824570236364603..comments2023-06-12T08:18:03.994-04:00Comments on The Psychological/Philosophical Theology Of God: BeginningsLA Sunsethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-30005293613737268692010-08-16T21:55:53.251-04:002010-08-16T21:55:53.251-04:00//Wow, I prove that your beliefs are heretical and...//<em>Wow, I prove that your beliefs are heretical and you rip me to shreds personally in return. Kill the messenger.</em>//<br /><br />You just won't let it drop, will you? <br /><br />You just have to have the last word, don't you?<br /><br />"Nanny nanny nanny goat" days are over. "I know you are but what does that make me?" is for Pee Wee Herman.<br /><br />If you have all of the truth and need no use for what any of us here believe, then why do you keep coming back to harangue us? We are not going to agree with you. I know I am not. <br /><br />Don't you have anything better to do? <br /><br />At some point, I will post another post that I am quite sure will set you off to no end. At least give me some time to change the topic, so you can condemn us all for something different.LASunsettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-24668852611344518512010-08-16T11:08:13.613-04:002010-08-16T11:08:13.613-04:00Wow, I prove that your beliefs are heretical and y...Wow, I prove that your beliefs are heretical and you rip me to shreds personally in return. Kill the messenger.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-88253154283035547382010-08-16T10:44:08.453-04:002010-08-16T10:44:08.453-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-12114300607406578112010-08-14T02:06:27.783-04:002010-08-14T02:06:27.783-04:00I am done* pointing out the rotten fruit you are b...<i>I am done* pointing out the rotten fruit you are baring. Your own words prove that point as well. Learn some temperance and embrace the most important attribute God taught us in his word: LOVE one another. You need to realize that your attitude is the type that drives people further from God. Examine yourself (that is a biblical ideal as well.) </i><br /><br />Love does not overlook heresy and false ideas of God. And do you think YOU exemplify love in this exchange with your surly attitude and complete condemnation of everything I say without giving the slightest benefit of the doubt? It shouldn't take more than a little kindness to stop and see how what you at first think is a contradiction might not be. <br /><br /><i> when I say I am done, I really am. </i><br /><br />OK, goodbyeFaith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-69793032533994252792010-08-14T02:05:55.295-04:002010-08-14T02:05:55.295-04:00continued.
//This false opinion is held by someone...continued.<br /><i>//This false opinion is held by someone who also has contempt for the pastors and teachers of the historic church down the centuries. Such disdain for the wisdom of others leads to heresy.// </i><br /><br />I believe this has been amply proved in the course of the discussion, and I don't see why anyone would deny it. Over and over I've been weirdly slammed for referencing such pastors and teachers which certainly shows disdain for them, yet you quote this simple statement as if by stating it I'm committing some kind of crime? <br /><br /><i>//Yes, it is true that if I'm right about the Deity of Christ that you are not saved, LA, that is quite true, and since it depends on certain facts I would think you might want to take those facts under advisement for the sake of your immortal soul.// </i><br /><br />Another statement of fact amply demonstrated by the evidence. How is it you don't understand this?<br /><br /><i>//You're all supposed conservatives here, right? Funny your tactics are so leftist on this topic.// </i><br /><br />Well, they certainly are, as I've described. This kind of huffiness at some sort of invented "offense" is usually typical of the left. <br /><br /><i>By the way, you completely contradict yourself and this is one proof in point when you finally agreed with me when saying: <br /><br />//Beyond that I would add that true study of God's word requires you to know what other minds have to offer about God's word, rather than depending on your own intellect. This means at least finding a pastor whose preaching you feel you can trust if nothing else. Why do you think God gave the church pastors and teachers anyway?// </i><br /><br />This is agreeing with YOU? This is what I've been saying from the beginning, and if you said any such thing it went over my head. Perhaps you can show me where you said it? All I recall you doing is slamming me for insisting that we can't rely only on ourselves which is what LA seems to be doing. <br /><br />Perhaps I don't always express myself clearly but you are quite wrong to accuse me of contradicting myself. Nothing I've said is a contradiction with anything else I've said. <br /><br /><i> THEN LATER:<br /><br />//People have been saved simply by absorbing the truth of a few verses of the Bible, that's how powerful God's word is. Lengthy study isn't needed in such cases, knowledge of anything else isn't needed, even preachers aren't needed. The Holy Spirit alone can guide a person into the truth without any other aid.// <br /><br />Interesting. I could show many other places you have completely contradicted yourself, </i><br /><br />Since you haven't yet shown even one contradiction I'm sure it would only be the usual attempt to make a contradiction out of a simple statement of fact. <br /><br />I added that paragraph to demonstrate that you are wrong to accuse me of thinking great knowledge is needed to understand the things of God, which I never said and you made up out of thin air, and now you can't even understand THAT much. <br /><br /><i> but alas, you bore me with your closed minded, holier than thou, I sit on the right hand of God attitude toward everyone who disagrees with you. </i><br /><br />This is pretty condemnatory just as I said you have been. Some day you will know how it is you with the mean spirit here, and not me.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-41063384850925560252010-08-14T01:56:34.015-04:002010-08-14T01:56:34.015-04:00//It's also been you condemning me in some pre...<i>//It's also been you condemning me in some pretty nasty terms from the beginning, from snarky snide remarks to outright condemnation, whereas all I've done is discuss objective information.//<br /><br />Really? <br /><br />//Again, you have every right to believe whatever you find convincing, but traditional Christians cannot consider you a Christian with the belief you have.// </i><br /><br />Absolutely objective information, about what traditional Christianity teaches. That you would think otherwise is rather puzzling. <br /><br /><i>//I can hardly believe you would stoop to such a plain stupidity. Do I really have to explain this?// </i><br /><br />Neither snarky or snide, but certainly exasperated by that point. <br /><br /><i>//What do you have against the truth, LA? I do think it comes down to this in the end. You are fighting God// </i><br /><br />Certainly seems to me to be the case, a perfectly objective conclusion to be drawn from the evidence at hand. <br /><br /><i>//You MUST be smarter than to make such a stupid statement as you did about Satan, LA.// </i><br /><br />It WAS a stupid statement, and I was trying to be generous. <br /><br /><i>//YOU should stop and think for a change before you answer me.// </i><br /><br />Of course the fact that I was merely echoing what he had said to me goes unnoticed. He was the one who needed to stop and think.<br /><br /><i> //Mustang is an unbeliever, you are the heretic.// </i><br /><br />Plainly a matter of fact based on observable evidence, which, if wrong, should be easily correctable with contrary evidence, but no evidence has ever been offered, and you make reasonable conclusion from fact into some kind of crime. <br /><br /><i>//As I said at the beginning, it's his prerogative to do so, but by the lights of the traditional gospel he's a heretic.// </i><br /><br />Yes, objectively speaking, based on the evidence, much evidence I gave, by the traditional gospel he is a heretic. Perfectly unemotional matter-of-fact objective statement. <br /><br /><i>//If what I'm saying is false, which you apparently believe, what's the problem? However, of course if what I'm saying is true then you aren't saved.// </i><br /><br />More objective fact. It's quite true -- if what I'm saying is true, then he isn't saved. Do you understand the nature of a logical proposition or is everything to you only a matter of wild accusation and huffy self-righteous feelings such as you sling at me? <br /><br /><i>//Better be sure it's the LORD you are trusting in and not your own deceitful heart.// </i><br /><br />Standard Christian advice to a person who thinks he doesn't need to learn from anyone other than his own self. <br /><br /><i> //What utter foolishness I'm reading here from you supposed Christians.// </i><br /><br />Perfectly fair conclusion from the preceding evidence. Utter foolishness indeed.<br /><br /><i>//You actually consider yourself a believer, Mustang? Perhaps you are, but what I've seen you write on the Bible so far doesn't support that you believe as a Christian must believe. Even LA properly corrected your rejection of the OT, and showed that you didn't even recognize a passage from the NT. Not much Christian belief going on there.// </i><br /><br />Over and over I make statements like this one based on objective evidence that COULD be answered by correcting the facts, but instead of getting the point you treat such statements as some sort of offense in themselves. This is so bizarre I really don't know how to explain it. <br /><br />It's as if truth and fact have been utterly lost and discussion is now all about being nice or something like that? I'm guessing, I have no idea how to explain this nonsense.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-4230650583751501322010-08-14T00:11:44.719-04:002010-08-14T00:11:44.719-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-38350619976469622010-08-13T20:51:26.031-04:002010-08-13T20:51:26.031-04:00//It's also been you condemning me in some pre...//It's also been you condemning me in some pretty nasty terms from the beginning, from snarky snide remarks to outright condemnation, whereas all I've done is discuss objective information.//<br /><br />Really? <br /><br />//Again, you have every right to believe whatever you find convincing, but traditional Christians cannot consider you a Christian with the belief you have.//<br /><br />//I can hardly believe you would stoop to such a plain stupidity. Do I really have to explain this?//<br /><br />//What do you have against the truth, LA? I do think it comes down to this in the end. You are fighting God//<br /><br />//You MUST be smarter than to make such a stupid statement as you did about Satan, LA.//<br /><br />//YOU should stop and think for a change before you answer me.//<br /><br />//Mustang is an unbeliever, you are the heretic.//<br /><br />//As I said at the beginning, it's his prerogative to do so, but by the lights of the traditional gospel he's a heretic.//<br /><br />//If what I'm saying is false, which you apparently believe, what's the problem? However, of course if what I'm saying is true then you aren't saved.//<br /><br />//Better be sure it's the LORD you are trusting in and not your own deceitful heart.//<br /><br />//What utter foolishness I'm reading here from you supposed Christians.// <br /><br />//You actually consider yourself a believer, Mustang? Perhaps you are, but what I've seen you write on the Bible so far doesn't support that you believe as a Christian must believe. Even LA properly corrected your rejection of the OT, and showed that you didn't even recognize a passage from the NT. Not much Christian belief going on there.// <br /><br />//This false opinion is held by someone who also has contempt for the pastors and teachers of the historic church down the centuries. Such disdain for the wisdom of others leads to heresy.//<br /><br />//Yes, it is true that if I'm right about the Deity of Christ that you are not saved, LA, that is quite true, and since it depends on certain facts I would think you might want to take those facts under advisement for the sake of your immortal soul.//<br /><br />//You're all supposed conservatives here, right? Funny your tactics are so leftist on this topic.//<br /><br />By the way, you completely contradict yourself and this is one proof in point when you finally agreed with me when saying: <br /><br />//Beyond that I would add that true study of God's word requires you to know what other minds have to offer about God's word, rather than depending on your own intellect. This means at least finding a pastor whose preaching you feel you can trust if nothing else. Why do you think God gave the church pastors and teachers anyway?//<br /><br />THEN LATER:<br /><br />//People have been saved simply by absorbing the truth of a few verses of the Bible, that's how powerful God's word is. Lengthy study isn't needed in such cases, knowledge of anything else isn't needed, even preachers aren't needed. The Holy Spirit alone can guide a person into the truth without any other aid.// <br /><br />Interesting. I could show many other places you have completely contradicted yourself, but alas, you bore me with your closed minded, holier than thou, I sit on the right hand of God attitude toward everyone who disagrees with you. So I am done* pointing out the rotten fruit you are baring. Your own words prove that point as well. Learn some temperance and embrace the most important attribute God taught us in his word: LOVE one another. You need to realize that your attitude is the type that drives people further from God. Examine yourself (that is a biblical ideal as well.) <br /><br />*And when I say I am done, I really am.~Lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186120222663489445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-75534361735380479752010-08-13T14:33:18.385-04:002010-08-13T14:33:18.385-04:00Just for the record, can you explain to me how I m...Just for the record, can you explain to me how I might say exactly what I'm saying here without compromising it, in a way that doesn't "talk down" as you see it?Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-14663562893013564122010-08-13T14:16:45.340-04:002010-08-13T14:16:45.340-04:00Then the truth is rude, Mustang. You want the tru...Then the truth is rude, Mustang. You want the truth compromised for the sake of politeness. That would violate the whole tenor of scripture and specific commands by the Lord. Truly, the offense here is on the part of the offended, not on my part, and that was true at the other blog as well as here. <br /><br />Oh I can disappear since you want me to and probably will soon enough. I keep being amazed at this phenomenon, though, which is no doubt partly why I keep coming back for more abuse, trying to get the point across as clearly as possible. I'd think eventually somebody would recognize what's really going on but nobody does. <br /><br />Very much like arguing with leftists. Quite remarkable. Had a bunch of leftists on my case recently because I said that socialism is the government stealing from its citizens. My, what vituperative language they heaped upon me for my insensitivity and unconcern about people's feelings. <br /><br />I thought it was only leftists who put offended feelings above questions of truth and were willing to destroy facts rather than consider they might be wrong. Funny.<br /><br />========<br /><br />Collected a few references on voodoo this morning and feel like posting them whether anybody cares or not:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cesnur.org/testi/irf/irf_haiti99.html" rel="nofollow"> From a US Dept of State Freedom of Religion Report</a>:<br /><br /><i> Voodoo, a traditional religion derived in part from West African beliefs, is practiced alongside Christianity by a large segment of the population. </i><br /><br />And here's <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6990002.ece" rel="nofollow">another reference</a> <br /><br /><i>Voodoo is fundamentally a home-based cult where each family has their own collection of household gods, many of them Catholic saints. In many households, it sits comfortably alongside a family’s Catholic observance. <br />The Catholic church officially backs the right of families to practise voodoo. Protestant missionaries have been less sympathetic, classifying family spirits as demons. <br /><br />More than eight in ten Haitians are officially Catholic, with about one in ten Protestants. But an unknown number also practise some voodoo rituals as well.<br />The dictator François “Papa Doc” Duvalier exploited voodoo as a method of social control, using sorcery and superstition as covers for his corrupt destruction of the nation.</i><br /><br />The official recognition of voodoo plus its practice by an unknown number --which is sometimes said to be 50% and sometimes more -- puts Haiti under God's wrath whether that sits well with anyone's feelings or not. <br /><br /><b>Amos 3:6 ... shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? </b>Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-41768057281171118162010-08-13T13:50:50.290-04:002010-08-13T13:50:50.290-04:00I really do not know anything about you, Faith. W...I really do not know anything about you, Faith. What I do know is that I react negatively to people who talk down to others. You do that a lot. I’m sure you don’t agree, but that’s because you are not listening. A discussion requires more than talking down to people; it requires an appreciation for what others have to say. It is demonstrating the decency to listen to others —and perhaps refraining from condemning them. Now … this isn’t just me. It isn’t just the people commenting here. You’ve managed to alienate several people at another blog. You even hurt the feelings of one man, who happened to be from Haiti. This was not very Christ-like, if you ask me, so don’t act as if this is our fault … that you are the victim here. You are simply and inexplicitly horribly rude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-36250862360352464332010-08-13T12:44:03.965-04:002010-08-13T12:44:03.965-04:00Apparently it's a lost cause but I will try to...Apparently it's a lost cause but I will try to answer your latest smear campaign:<br /><br /><i>Beyond that I would add that you should accept my belief system over all others because I am right and you are wrong. </i><br /><br />I've given scripture references and reasoned arguments for what I believe so that you can judge it for yourself, and never suggested anyone should just "accept" anything without thinking it through. <br /><br /><i>I am a godly woman and you all are full of the devil, for even thinking about questioning the people I consider to be godly pastors and teachers. </i><br /><br />LA, you've never even HEARD of those I've referred to and I referred to them to support my contention that there IS a historic line of traditional theology that is consistent back to the beginning as part of my argument against your rejection of the Deity of Christ, and certainly against your idea that any single Christian is supposed to trust only in his own reasoning powers for his understanding of the things of God. Seems to me you ought to recognize that maybe you don't know enough after all and give some thought to what is really quite a weight of theology. I don't agree with everything said by those I've referred to and I've been clear about that it seems to me, but on the Deity of Christ and other basics they do all agree and I would think a Christian should take notice. Instead you twist this into quite a nasty accusation of me. <br /><br /><i>We are going to heaven and all of you are going to burn in hell for the ceasless ages of eternity. </i><br /><br />I have no such attitude and have said nothing to deserve your attributing it to me.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-89007279545044023782010-08-13T12:31:10.417-04:002010-08-13T12:31:10.417-04:00Funny, I'd have thought that from the beginnin...Funny, I'd have thought that from the beginning I have done my best to argue that Christ is God, and otherwise trying to show that your insistence on trusting in your own personal ability to understand the things of God is risky and not supported by scripture. <br /><br />It's also been you condemning me in some pretty nasty terms from the beginning, from snarky snide remarks to outright condemnation, whereas all I've done is discuss objective information. Rather strange to find myself accused of condemning someone to hell who has in fact condemned me to hell more than once, even back on the other blog, when I've done nothing of the sort. <br /><br />Yes, it is true that if I'm right about the Deity of Christ that you are not saved, LA, that is quite true, and since it depends on certain facts I would think you might want to take those facts under advisement for the sake of your immortal soul. But again, since you believe I'm wrong, what's the problem? Why are you so upset you have to keep slamming me? <br /><br />I'm not the one who has been prancing around shooting off accusations, you guys have been doing that, and twisting my words to mean something I don't believe. <br /><br />You're all supposed conservatives here, right? Funny your tactics are so leftist on this topic.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-66776349776889535262010-08-13T10:12:46.541-04:002010-08-13T10:12:46.541-04:00//Beyond that I would add that true study of God&#...//<em>Beyond that I would add that true study of God's word requires you to know what other minds have to offer about God's word, rather than depending on your own intellect. This means at least finding a pastor whose preaching you feel you can trust if nothing else. </em>//<br /><br />Translation:<br /><br /><b>Beyond that I would add that you should accept my belief system over all others because I am right and you are wrong. I am a godly woman and you all are full of the devil, for even thinking about questioning the people I consider to be godly pastors and teachers. We are going to heaven and all of you are going to burn in hell for the ceasless ages of eternity.</b><br /><br />There, I think that pretty much sums it up.LASunsettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-20047026560660416302010-08-13T06:49:51.040-04:002010-08-13T06:49:51.040-04:00Let me add:
People have been saved simply by abso...Let me add:<br /><br />People have been saved simply by absorbing the truth of a few verses of the Bible, that's how powerful God's word is. Lengthy study isn't needed in such cases, knowledge of anything else isn't needed, even preachers aren't needed. The Holy Spirit alone can guide a person into the truth without any other aid.<br /><br />But in such cases what was learned does agree with what the traditional writers on the gospel have said. <br /><br />That is not true of the opinion expressed here that Jesus Christ was a created being and not God. This false opinion is held by someone who also has contempt for the pastors and teachers of the historic church down the centuries. Such disdain for the wisdom of others leads to heresy.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-15830269212992801422010-08-13T06:32:20.325-04:002010-08-13T06:32:20.325-04:00Leslie: You brought up the concept of "study&...Leslie: You brought up the concept of "study" in the context of defending the idea of trusting in one's own intellect alone to understand the things of God, against my argument that one must submit one's intellect to the wisdom of many counsellors in order to have some security that you are rightly understanding the truth. There is nothing defensible about your position and the definition of the term "study" doesn't improve it. <br /><br />"Study" is generally used these days simply to refer to the activity itself. But the word was used originally in the early English translations where the emphasis is more on the thoroughness and diligence applied to the activity.<br /><br />http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/study<br /><br />Beyond that I would add that true study of God's word requires you to know what other minds have to offer about God's word, rather than depending on your own intellect. This means at least finding a pastor whose preaching you feel you can trust if nothing else. Why do you think God gave the church pastors and teachers anyway? So we can ignore them and trust in our own opinions? Did Paul carefully train Timothy to exhort and reprove his congregation so they could ignore him? Sure sounds like that's what some here think.<br /><br />"Know every single passage?" "Rely on certain men?" "Assume all are going to hell who don't agree with the early church men?" "Not ever use your intellect?" <br /><br />I've neither said nor implied any such thing. Perhaps if you were at all honest in your representation of what I have said I might try to address your questions, but your dishonesty is appalling and disheartening. Not to mention your nasty tone.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-8099537333211902492010-08-13T06:29:05.307-04:002010-08-13T06:29:05.307-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-3852823712953160242010-08-13T06:24:10.942-04:002010-08-13T06:24:10.942-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-59407187704722773322010-08-13T06:06:05.841-04:002010-08-13T06:06:05.841-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-19003345697143205972010-08-12T21:18:17.317-04:002010-08-12T21:18:17.317-04:00//OK, the usual statistic is that FIFTY percent PR...//OK, the usual statistic is that FIFTY percent PRACTICE voodoo, but that EIGHTY percent are Catholic. The Catholic Church has given permission to the practice of voodoo, and that is apparently where I got the 80% voodooists [and since most Catholics already practice idolatry (Mary worship) and superstitions (appeals to saints) and trust in "the church" instead of in Christ, it's all really voodoo anyway].//<br /><br />You see “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” --John Adams <br /><br /> …and when a person is so willing to glibly ignore them, muddle them or consider the act of getting them right unimportant, it wrecks one’s argument.~Lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186120222663489445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-77505191136295706042010-08-12T21:13:46.135-04:002010-08-12T21:13:46.135-04:00Oh, I get it then, so in order to be a Christian o...Oh, I get it then, so in order to be a Christian one must:<br /><br />1) Know every single passage of the Bible and exactly where it comes from<br /><br />2) Believe that God kills people in earthquakes<br /><br />3) Rely on certain men in church history to tell one what the Bible says and how to believe and what to believe about God, Christ etc.<br /><br />4) And assume that everyone who disagrees with anything the early men of the church said are all going to hell; since hell would be the destination of unbelievers<br /><br />5) Not ever use the intellect God gave them to consciously study his word, the world, or anything else in existence<br /><br />Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. <br /><br /><br />//"Study" means work hard, it doesn't mean depend on your own intellect.// <br /><br />Wrong.<br /><br />The word "Study" means --the acquiring of knowledge; careful examination of a subject, event etc. <br />the act or process of studying; the pursuit of knowledge --through reading, observing or researching.<br /><br />As a verb: To apply one’s mind (that would be intellect) purposefully to the acquisition of knowledge and/or understanding of a subject, event, etc. To examine closely, to scrutinize, to give careful thought to, to contemplate…<br /><br />It comes from Middle English “studie”, Old French “estudie”, Latin “studium” all translating to the word we understand today as: Study.<br /><br />Now, would you care to outline exactly what does a Christian look like? What does it mean to be a Christian? How is one determined to be a Christian? Who determines one to be a Christian and one that is not a Christian? Because I am pretty sure that I have never read in the Bible that anyone is required to memorize the entire Bible before they can be a Christian, nor does it say that no one is allowed to think about the universe, God, Christ, scriptures and study their meaning, concepts, etc.~Lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186120222663489445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-1155956230085088512010-08-12T20:30:21.652-04:002010-08-12T20:30:21.652-04:00Statistics on Haiti:
OK, the usual statistic is t...Statistics on Haiti:<br /><br />OK, the usual statistic is that FIFTY percent PRACTICE voodoo, but that EIGHTY percent are Catholic. The Catholic Church has given permission to the practice of voodoo, and that is apparently where I got the 80% voodooists [and since most Catholics already practice idolatry (Mary worship) and superstitions (appeals to saints) and trust in "the church" instead of in Christ, it's all really voodoo anyway].<br /><br />50% however is quite enough over more than 200 years, especially after a pact made with the devil to gain Haitian freedom from the French, to qualify for God's judgment. <br /><br />Read the Bible, Mustang, I'm not making any of this up. It's all there.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-54761200759354590162010-08-12T20:22:36.291-04:002010-08-12T20:22:36.291-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-57822032920522937622010-08-12T20:11:34.707-04:002010-08-12T20:11:34.707-04:00How do I know? Proverb previously posted:
In man...How do I know? Proverb previously posted:<br /><br /><i>In many counsellors there is safety.</i><br /><br />Trusting in your own opinion when the entire history of the traditional church is against you is folly in the extreme. When a number of preachers in the best tradition agree against you, you would be foolish not to consider they might be right and you wrong. <br /><br />I believed in God's sovereignty over ALL things (including earthquakes, hurricanes, 9/11 and similar events, the works) before Pat Robertson remarked on Haiti. When so many jumped on him for that perfectly true and scriptural remark I defended him. But otherwise I don't follow Pat Robertson.<br /><br />You actually consider yourself a believer, Mustang? Perhaps you are, but what I've seen you write on the Bible so far doesn't support that you believe as a Christian must believe. Even LA properly corrected your rejection of the OT, and showed that you didn't even recognize a passage from the NT. Not much Christian belief going on there. <br /><br />Funny how huffily offended everyone gets when you point out the simple truth.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38439093.post-86938459474526361882010-08-12T19:32:57.052-04:002010-08-12T19:32:57.052-04:00//OK, LA, have it your way. I tried.//
Tried what...//<em>OK, LA, have it your way. I tried.</em>//<br /><br />Tried what?LASunsettnoreply@blogger.com